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			<title><![CDATA[Re: OFF: Имею ли право использовать триал-программу после истечения срока.]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Не хочу показаться заумным, но здесь скорее вопрос более по этике, нежели риторика, как это может показаться на первый взгляд. Попробую объяснить что я имею в виду.<br />В большинстве триальных\шароварных программ при установке в лицензионном соглашении написано о том, что по истечении срока триала, программу необходимо деинсталлировать. Однако, если этот пункт не оговорен явным образон, ровно как и о типах лицензий ничего в нем не сказано, то с юридической точки зрения выходит, что нарушений со стороны пользователя по истечении срока триала в ее использовании нет при условии соблюдения прочих пунктов лицензионного соглашения, как то: модификация, коммерческое распространение и т.д. А при чем здесь этика? Начнем с того, что после чистки системы от всякого рода мусора, может статься работоспособность программы при ее переустановке, иначе говоря, получаем снова триал в N-дней. И вот здесь возникает вопрос по совести: воспользоваться сим или нет? Согласитесь, здесь уже юриспруденция бессильна.<br />Я солидарен с <strong>alexii</strong> касательно обращений в представительство, однако хотелось бы дополнить, что в таких вопросах не лишним была бы консультация юриста.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (greg zakharov)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 17:17:53 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p><strong>Александр_</strong>, если не покупать — то и пользоваться позже оговоренного срока нельзя. Теоретически, конечно, тот же Ghisler не будет стучать несознательным гражданам по голове, если они будут продолжать использовать TC и после завершения пробного срока. Но, в любом случае, надо понимать, что это <em>уже</em> будет нарушением лицензии. Равно и в случае WinRar.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 09:45:40 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Я всегда думал, что наказуема только модификация программы, а если во время время выполнения программы появляются надписи типа &quot;купи меня&quot;, то это называется <a href="http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagscreen">Nagscreen</a> и если они не смущают, то нет смысла покупать программу. Например WinRar точно так же защищён.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (Александр_)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 09:29:28 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Да, я его как-раз только сегодня и заметил.<br />И поэтому понял, что у меня вообще никакой лицензии не стояло.<br />И что надо специально её устанавливать. <img src="//forum.script-coding.com/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" /><br />А вот в представительстве мне уже месяц голову мурыжат.<br />Сами они об этом ничего не знают, поэтому делают запросы в главный офис, а их там игнорируют, как я понимаю.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (Malcev)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 08:08:55 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p><strong>Malcev</strong>, описание там же, справа: <a href="http://bizsupport1.austin.hp.com/bc/docs/support/SupportManual/c01838822/c01838822.pdf">HP RGS Licensing Guide</a>.</p><p>P.S. Не стесняйтесь писать или звонить по поводу лицензий в представительство.</p>]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Я уверен, что они сами не знают.<br />Но должен же быть какой-то кодекс законов.<br />Я бы эту прграмму возможно и уговорил бы начальство купить, но HP уже в течение месяца ничего не отвечают.<br />Когда им звонишь, отнекиваются, что менеджер. который занимется этим в отпуске и т.д.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (Malcev)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 07:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Вы всё-таки определитесь, чьё &quot;устраивает&quot; вас интересует — ваше, общественности данного форума или проверки. Если последнее, то логично у них и узнать, чего им надо, чтобы использование программы они посчитали законным. Мало ли что вам тут на форуме напишут. Вы же потом на форум не сможете сослаться, когда вас &quot;посадят до кучи&quot;. <img src="//forum.script-coding.com/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" /></p>]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Сейчас всё внимательно перечитал - я оказывается программу вообще без лицензии пользую.<br />Поэтому и табличка о лицензировании висит.<br />Там триал лицензию нужно отдельно ставить.<br />Но меня и так всё устраивает.<br />Законно ли такое использование если придёт проверка?</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (Malcev)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 07:22:19 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Почти Достоевский. &quot;Тварь я дрожащая или право имею?&quot; <img src="//forum.script-coding.com/img/smilies/lol.png" width="15" height="15" /></p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 07:09:52 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Почитайте лицензию. Если срок там указан и он истёк, то права вы не имеете. Очевидно же.<br />Если же вас интересует не это, а вопрос, могут ли вас поймать и как именно, то так и спросите.</p>]]></description>
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			<title><![CDATA[OFF: Имею ли право использовать триал-программу после истечения срока.]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Если она продолжает функционировать как и раньше?<br />И ничего мне не пишет, что срок закончен, а как и в самом начале висит тпбличка, что по вопросам лицензирования обращаться туда-то и туда-то.<br />Законно ли это?<br />Обязан ли я сам засекать время начала её использования?</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (Malcev)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 06:59:56 +0000</pubDate>
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